My AMD Athlon 2400 + OC tips needed [amd athlon 2400] [a7v333]
Q: I finally got my AMD Athlon 2400 +. This ship is ~ 40 degrees cooler than previous farhenheit 2200 +. I lowered the multiplier of 13.0 and raised the bus speed to 166 one my A7V333. 2.17 GHz runs great, but I had to volatage to 1.75 (nominal at 1.65). Is there a possiblility of long term damage? My ram is performed in sync with my processor.
Re:all i was saying was that i highly doubt burning in will have any affect on the overclockablity of the chip, if it can't hit the speed you want out of box, its probably not going to. my rig did the oc speed right out of the box. this may not be true for older cpus, but look at the gate sizes, as we get smaller and smaller gate sizes, its easier and easier to damage the cpu.
i can get my computer to boot at 1.9ghz @1.97volts, but its till not stable, prime95 produces errors. burning will do nothing to improve this OC. i can thow just about any heatload at my cooling system, but is it worth destroying the cpu (maybe cause it was only $53) no. and the 2400+ is not a cheap chip
as cash rule's everything around me, i don't think the thoroughbred is a good investment, its no 1.6A in terms of its overclockability. if you are just buying it and not planning ot overclock, its good, but if you are an overclocker, i'd go p4 with 1066rdram or dual channel ddr (if it ever get released). and this is coming from somone who has only built amd systems
Re:Hey guy, think we can get a group buy together??
:D:D
I have had my eye on the 2400+ for a while now.. I'd love one!!!!!!
Re:I can least say that I have used them both, oc'd them both and currently run both. I guess we see who the real fanboys are!!!
Yep we can and we love the fact they are loyal AMD!
I have and use Intel at work and they are certainly not as good as AMD that's for sure.. at least Intels based off the 815 chipset (most of my Intel rigs at work)
Re:How much was your 2400+ and where did you get it? I want one.
im with you!!!……..i cant wait to try my hand at .13 micron o/cing …….you intel boys should'nt have all the fun…..;)
Re:How much was your 2400+ and where did you get it? I want one.
Re:I think anybody who really loves ocing and hardware will do it on any system regardless of the brand. I stay open minded and now the whole game can shift rather quickly..
thats what im talkin about….:D
you are right….o/cing is o/cing…….no matter what stamp is on the cpu…..
Re:My loyalty is guided by my wallet:D, not by the brand. Celeron 1.0a is $49 shipped and a good deal for a 1400MHz cpu, see I like Intel too. The 1.6a is one of the all time best overclockers of all time and I like it, it just isn't cost feasable when compared to an XP (for now). I have 6 systems up and running, so being thrifty is a definate priority for me.
Re:I think anybody who really loves ocing and hardware will do it on any system regardless of the brand. I stay open minded and now the whole game can shift rather quickly…
Plus I didn't pay 150 for mine…I got it back in june when the 1.6a dipped to 130….Yes I could have gotten a 1600+ but one I added the cost of a good hsf and then oc'd it to 2100-2200+ levels still wouldn't perform where I am at now…so what is the point. My 1.6a was one of the hoorays for the 1.6a and not all got this kind of result, and I know the 1600+ is more consistent on the number…
I am just saying a blanket statemnt like I will never own one seems a little extreme. What if hammer is further delayed or not as good for the cost?? What p4's ramp even faster and you get a 3.6ghz by august of next year with HT and capable of 4ghz with not much from amd to battle it??? Would you still be just loyal to one brand???
All I am saying have an open mind!!!
Re:guess I don't see what that has to do with being a loyal ocer!!! That just sounds ignorant by the both of you!!!
guy, it is not like you to result in name calling. I know you love your 1.6a and it is a good performing cpu. However, currently at $153 shipped on pricewatch it doesn't come close to the value of the 1600+ which goes for $54 shipped. Commonly reaching 1800MHz at relatively low voltage the 1600+ gets close to 1.6a overclocked performance at one third the price!
I have both Intel and AMD systems running in the house. Tualatin is a darn good deal and P4 just isn't. When a 1.6a goes for $75 I will buy one and be happy to use it. But if Intel keeps the price up like old P3 cpu's that cost more than a modern Athlon XP, then I won't be buying one anytime soon. I hope this doesn't make me ignorant
burning in a cpu can damage it more than ocing can. there was a thread earlier this summer or last spring, and some guy on this forum who works for intel had engineering links as to what happens when you burn in a cpu and how it damages it, and why it SHOULD NOT be done.
I don't know what your definition of burning in is, but just overclocking a cpu to it's maximum potential without going overboard on the core voltage and running it hard for a week or so doesn't hurt anything.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
The CPU comes unlocked from the factory, I could only select multipliers from 13-22 but people with KT400 chipsets (I have a Kt333) should be able to select multipliers from 7.5-22.
I've got an epox 8k5a2+, and I've only got access to 15, 16 & 16.5 
I'd love 13 and 14, anybody know if I'm doing something wrong here?
Re:burning in a cpu can damage it more than ocing can. there was a thread earlier this summer or last spring, and some guy on this forum who works for intel had engineering links as to what happens when you burn in a cpu and how it damages it, and why it SHOULD NOT be done.
Re:I guess I don't see what that has to do with being a loyal ocer!!! That just sounds ignorant by the both of you!!!
mellow out…….:D
dont take things so personal……
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Don't know about P4's, I never had one and will never buy one <>
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i like a loyal o/cer….
I guess I don't see what that has to do with being a loyal ocer!!! That just sounds ignorant by the both of you!!!
I can least say that I have used them both, oc'd them both and currently run both. I guess we see who the real fanboys are!!!
Re:The CPU comes unlocked from the factory, I could only select multipliers from 13-22 but people with KT400 chipsets (I have a Kt333) should be able to select multipliers from 7.5-22.
Re:Don't know about P4's, I never had one and will never buy one <>
i like a loyal o/cer…..:D
Re:I don't want to start a big argument, but there is a scientific reason why burning in works. In the old days when I was using Coppermines it made a bigger difference. But with older Durons, Thunderbirds, Morgans and XP's it still makes a difference. I have personally overclocked more than 40 cpu's in the last two years and burning in was a definate factor. For examply the 1600+ @1800MHz that I am running now initially took 1.90v to run stable, now it runs happily at 1.81v. Don't know about P4's, I never had one and will never buy one:D
Re:what method did you use to unlock it ??
what he said????
Re:Originally posted by: guy
burning in is BS
yep
Re:Yeah, the YS-Tech fans are awesome, I have two in my case. I'm going to drill two holes in on of my empty bays to expose the dials. When they get to 2600 rpms they are silent while still pushing out enough air for web browsing/word processing.
Re:guy: You like that YS-Tech fan ??
i was thinking about getting one with an SLK-800 heatsink
i'll prob pic up a few different fans just to try them out
Re:I have air cooling with an adjustable YS-Tech fan. I actually did not check the week on the CPU but remember these are not maximum results. I tried booting at 14 * 166 (2324) with 1.8v and it worked, got into windows and everything, I'm sure I could hit 2400 if I had the motivation. However, I'm just going to run it at 166 * 13 until I need the extra speed.
Re:What kinda cooling do you have ??
did you read the numbers off the core ??
curious what week it is and the core numbers
what method did you use to unlock it ??
i was gonna pick mine up saw one again today in stock at newegg but they didn't have some fans i wanted so i'll just wait till next week or the one after they might be cheaper or they'll have 2600's in stock or something
have fun there
Re:I dropped the VCORE to 1.7 volts, still runs stable so I'll stay at this. My 3dmark score was ~11500 with 2200+ and is now ~12,400 with the 2400+ running at 166*13. Of course, the 2200+ tests were done with the Detanator 30.82 while the new test was done with the detonator 41.02.
Re:I burn in at high voltage and max speed from the beginning, just make sure and keep the temps under control. A week of good abuse and then you can try bumping the speed up some more.
Re:I burn it in for a couple of days but I will oc I just don't give it a vcore boost until a couple of days…My burn in simply would be at the default voltage the chipwas set to…
I do not prescribe to the fact that somehow the chip isn't ready to run and I have to burn it in for a week, period….I have aslo never seen cpu burn on a cpu ever give me better results. I have seen it on some memory chips but never an INtel p4. PLus talk to the Intel guys like PM and he will tell you this is a myth. Wingznut will also tell you the process verification these things go through are more stringent and stressful then we can duplicate ourselves.
That aside like I said I do like to burn in my best speed at default vcore for a few days before I start boosting vcore then I go in small boost over periods of time. I never oc from default to max in one day. It often may take 5-7 days before I see the top and then a few more days to tweak and mess with ram.
Re:Hello,
I would burn in processor for a couple of weeks first, before OC'ing it especially if it's still under warranty !
Reason make sure it runs stable for two weeks, or 1 week BUT DO NOT turn the system off, just the monitor if you want to save on energy.
Silcon semiconductors, when they are new need to go through a burn-in process, or worked in. Just from building over a 1000 systems, and repairing allot of peoples systems, found that a burn-in is like quality control, then start tweaking the CPU, and system board out after you know for sure, and monitor the temps onboard chipset, PLL, and CPU at different times. Sometimes on the Asus boards the PLL's get really hot , and if you touch it, and you can't hold your finger on it then it's getting to hot, also try not to get the PCI bus freq 38-40 MHz. Now your going way over clocking with your sound, network, modem, and controllers, and you can fry them too (stay 33 – 35MHz to be safe).
Later guy
Added note check the OPN on the Athlon processor to see if the last letter ends in with a "c", or a "d". C= 266MHz FSB, and D= 333MHz FSB
Re:Anytime you run the voltage out of spec from manufacturer recommended set voltage, the voltage in which they did there testing at you run the risk of shortening the manufacturers estimated lifetime….
That is the textbook answer!!!;)
Real answer is yes there is a possibility but at a modest .1v jump I highly doubt it will effect the lifetime much or during your ownership….
So it appears this SOB is unlocked!!!!
That is great you have memory running in synch with a 333fsb…that means the memories theoretical bandwidth matches the amount the cpu can handle…most effective true pc2700ddr setup for AMD….
At 2.17ghz you have roughly a 170mhz oc but you needed to raise vcore to 1.75….Do you have different increments or did you have to increase it a full .1v notch??? What is the next available vcore boost….
I am surprised it didn't do higher then 2.17ghz at default vcore….I dont think it likely will get much past 2.3ghz even if you boosted it to 1.85v levels then…
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